Re: Motivation while the deferred method and talks about the phase

LucidDreaming · Post by **LucidDreaming** » Tue Jul 05, 2011 8:37 am

I don't know in which forum section I should post it, so Im posting it here.

1. How do you keep yourself motivated? I mean, when you wake up after 6 hours of sleep, and you have to get out of your bed. How do you manage to convince yourself into doing this?

2. Do you talk about phase with other people? And if you do, do they believe in you? If they don't believe, how do you react? Are there any people who thinks you are an idiot? If you are still living with your parents, do they know about your practice?

Question to Michael:

1. Do you often seperate during the day, without any sleep?

breadbassed · Post by **breadbassed** » Tue Jul 05, 2011 9:18 am

1. i don't lol, i find after 6 hours of sleep, even if i get up to close my curtains or something i find it hard to try and stay up at all and just wanna go back to sleep, although i still practice techniques it's less likely to work if i haven't stayed up for a few minutes as i fall back to sleep too quickly. Still, i tend to have success at least once a week.

2. The only person i normally speak to about it is my girlfriend, i mentioned it briefly to my parents but they don't seem to get it, and i think i've bored my friends by talking about it too much so don't talk to them about it anymore

Post by **Michael Raduga** » Tue Jul 05, 2011 5:49 pm

1. A cool plan of action may solve all problems like this. just think about this before falling asleep again

My question:

Of course. If I have the opportunity and wish, I may use direct techniques in the day. But it is a rare situation because it is better to take a good nap for relax and easily use the awakening for indirect techniques.

Post by **Summerlander** » Tue Jul 05, 2011 7:39 pm

1. How do you keep yourself motivated? I mean, when you wake up after 6 hours of sleep, and you have to get out of your bed. How do you manage to convince yourself into doing this?

Here's my motivation: "I want to enter the Phase and now is an excellent time to do it" - Ask yourself how bad you really want the experience.

Do you talk about phase with other people? And if you do, do they believe in you? If they don't believe, how do you react? Are there any people who thinks you are an idiot? If you are still living with your parents, do they know about your practice?

I do and most of them accept it and know what it's about. My parents are divorced. I keep in touch with my mum and she has known about this for donkey's years. She is African and where she is from they do it a lot there even though most of them believe it to be something "spiritual".

If I come across someone who doesn't believe, they don't stand a chance with me because I tell them flat out that it is a real phenomenon, but, what it actually is, is what's elusive.

A lot of them say "couldn't it just be dreams" to which I reply "yes", dreaming is probably all it is, it is a peculiar altered state of consciousness and better than any virtual reality game you will ever come across.

This way you get across the point of view that there is nothing paranormal about it and that it is an area deserving of scientific study. Once they know it is a normal occurrence they are the ones who will look silly if they insist that they don't believe it. It happens! It's a fact. The scientific community is aware of it.

If they still insist that they don't believe it, tell them to try the techniques with an open mind...otherwise...tell them to shut up. In the end, they are the ones missing out for being idiots. Inform them about the facts and tell them you experience it. If they play the sceptic card and say it's probably hallucinations then tell them "yeah, probably". What it is doesn't matter. What matters is that you are having fun.

If it's too much work to educate them...don't bother telling anyone...or show them my post!

lithuaniandreamer · Post by **lithuaniandreamer** » Wed Jul 06, 2011 10:35 am

I told about it. They laughed at me . but i dont care.. then my couple good friends got interested in and tried it they almost did it, they liked it and doing it until now.
I wonder why people shouldnt try this thing... its very interesting and you can have many starnge, funny feelings there.

NOVA · Post by **NOVA** » Thu Jul 07, 2011 10:24 am

Hi,

I wouldn't bother talking to people who know nothing of it. Yes they will think you strange and an idiot, and this may be discouraging for you. Hence affect your practise. Just walk away from them. They are obviously not at that place yet and are not open enough to listen to what you have to say, with respect.
Here's the thing.
Only talk to people who are interested and desire to talk and ask good questions about it. This will strengthen your knowledge and desire. Read pages in Michael's book refering to the method of separation many times and then many times again. I found that I understood it better when I printed it out. That way I would not skip pages. It is easier on the eyes to read printed out and you can highlight parts that speak to you.
Saturate your mind with it. Read the blogs where people are having success.
Practise and indirect techniques and attempt to roll out whenever you find yourself waking from a dream.

It will happen.

Your first OBE will keep you motivated.

LucidDreaming · Post by **LucidDreaming** » Thu Jul 07, 2011 3:24 pm

NOVA wrote: Hi,

I wouldn't bother talking to people who know nothing of it. Yes they will think you strange and an idiot, and this may be discouraging for you. Hence affect your practise. Just walk away from them. They are obviously not at that place yet and are not open enough to listen to what you have to say, with respect.
Here's the thing.
Only talk to people who are interested and desire to talk and ask good questions about it. This will strengthen your knowledge and desire. Read pages in Michael's book refering to the method of separation many times and then many times again. I found that I understood it better when I printed it out. That way I would not skip pages. It is easier on the eyes to read printed out and you can highlight parts that speak to you.
Saturate your mind with it. Read the blogs where people are having success.
Practise and indirect techniques and attempt to roll out whenever you find yourself waking from a dream.

It will happen.

Your first OBE will keep you motivated.

Oh no, it's not like I didn't have any OBEs. Opposite, I had quite a lot.

I agree with everyone about not talking to sceptical people. I tried and I was really depressedm, after people thought I am an idiot

LawPaw · Post by **LawPaw** » Sun Jul 10, 2011 3:25 am

I talk with some of my friends about it, but not with most. The only friends I do talk about it with are the ones I know will be open to the idea. But even with them they don't really get it.

I barely even talk to my wife about it because she doesn't understand it.

Once I master it I want to start telling everyone about it and hopefully teach them how to practice it since I think it is important.

It's just difficult for people to comprehend. I wouldn't understand it either if I hadn't had experiences with it before I learned about it.

I wish there were a way to properly explain it.

LucidDreaming · Post by **LucidDreaming** » Sun Jul 10, 2011 7:47 am

LawPaw wrote: I talk with some of my friends about it, but not with most. The only friends I do talk about it with are the ones I know will be open to the idea. But even with them they don't really get it.

I barely even talk to my wife about it because she doesn't understand it.

Once I master it I want to start telling everyone about it and hopefully teach them how to practice it since I think it is important.

It's just difficult for people to comprehend. I wouldn't understand it either if I hadn't had experiences with it before I learned about it.

I wish there were a way to properly explain it.

I am very open minded, so I would believe in my friend if he told me, that he is practising OBE. Why would he lie anyway?

LawPaw · Post by **LawPaw** » Sun Jul 10, 2011 6:42 pm

But you understand what it is.

I don't think my friends think I'm lying, only that they don't understand what I'm actually saying and think it is really just a controlled dream.

The only reason I'm hesitant to share more openly with others is because I want to find the best way to present it. I'm just afraid that if they don't immediately understand they will be turned off to it.

NOVA · Post by **NOVA** » Mon Jul 11, 2011 4:21 am

Did you know that you are dreaming and the person you are trying to convince is yourself.
The dream is your movie and you are the director.
All that you see on the screen (this fabric called waking reality) is your projection of your thoughts, just as in an OBE.

It's Not Real.

LucidDreaming · Post by **LucidDreaming** » Mon Jul 11, 2011 7:46 am

NOVA wrote: Did you know that you are dreaming and the person you are trying to convince is yourself.
The dream is your movie and you are the director.
All that you see on the screen (this fabric called waking reality) is your projection of your thoughts, just as in an OBE.

It's Not Real.

And you can control your dream with your thoughts?

NOVA · Post by **NOVA** » Tue Jul 12, 2011 10:35 am

Absolutely Yes.

LucidDreaming · Post by **LucidDreaming** » Tue Jul 12, 2011 1:03 pm

NOVA wrote: Absolutely Yes.

I believe in something similar.

NOVA · Post by **NOVA** » Sat Jul 16, 2011 2:58 am

Glad to hear that. I don't believe in anything. It's not real.

LucidDreaming · Post by **LucidDreaming** » Sat Jul 16, 2011 3:11 am

NOVA wrote: Glad to hear that. I don't believe in anything. It's not real.

Than why live?

JorgeLTE · Post by **JorgeLTE** » Sat Jul 16, 2011 3:43 am

OBEs and waking life reality are made of the same thing