Lucid Dreaming and OBE Discussion Board

Oh wow, what do you guys think of this?
http://uk.health.lifestyle.yahoo.net/sc ... -words.htm

Perhaps, in the future, we can plug ourselves to a machine that will totally record our phase experiences and we will no longer need to describe them in our journals.

Reminds me of when I first got rsi and hated speech recognition so looked for an alternative and found "brain gate" which allows you to control your computer with your mind.

Video Recording my nightmares was something I always wanted to do as A kid because I had the most amazing adventures where I would escape from a wild cat and slowly discover the history of them and reason why they attacked me. Each dream I discovered something new and after 10 years the nightly nightmares of being attacked suddenly ended around the same time I moved houses.

I would have loved to make a horror tv series from my nightmares but the technology never existed... Hopefully one day movies can be made from phase experiences

I found this video about brain simulation.  You get a good glimpse of what's going on in terms of perceiving reality and how the complexity of the brain is more than enough to create the dream worlds experienced in the phase state:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LS3wMC2B ... re=related

12padams wrote: Video Recording my nightmares was something I always wanted to do as A kid because I had the most amazing adventures...

Phase practice has made me appreciate dreams to the point that I sometimes prefer them to the phase.  I like the unpredictability of dreams, plus I don't have to work so hard at deepening when cool stuff happens.

I know it isn't good practice, but I often go "off-plan" and allow myself to be sucked into tangents that drag me into regular sleep.  Regular dreams from improper deepening are the best dreams IMHO.

Now that I've practiced the phase and worked on dream recall for over a year my regular dreams seem almost real (phase-like).  But in my experience you can never remember a dream as reality like you can the phase, so it does have that major drawback.

I agree.  But nothing like knowing that you are dreaming.  In the phase, the chances of control are greater and there are so many practical ends to it.  The phase has been an artistic inspiration to me like no other state of consciousness.

Video Recording my nightmares was something I always wanted to do as A kid because I had the most amazing adventures...

Wow, I don't even remember saying that and yet I am carrying out my dream. Ages ago I uploaded an early version of a phase video I began making and now I have progressed heaps since then in its development. Sadly however... I am on work experience and my video phase experience creation has been put on hold for the next month. After that however I'll finish it off (I am slightly past half way) and then upload it to various forums such as this one, spiritual forums, ld4all.com, astral pulse, dreamviews and any others I can find

Once I complete my first phase video (sometime in June) then my blog will be renamed to "12padams - Phase Books And Videos". I will have a huge list of my concious phase experiences down the page after my books with the words "not planned" (meaning to difficult to make unless I get some Hollywood help), "planned" (meaning that I will do it in the future at some point), "in development" (meaning I have began filming and editing it) and last of all "compelted" (meaning that the video is finished and a YouTube link to the video will be there)

Interesting video about Brain stimulation Summerlander

Although remember that he is not talking about the phase, he is talking about our physical reality!
So Morpheus in the matrix already gave an answer to this puzzle.

"What is real? How do you define real? If real is what you can feel, smell, taste and see, then 'real' is simply electrical signals interpreted by your brain." http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JMI1QUjRs7M

You can not define what's "real". Real is an experience and perhaps even an statement.

Interesting, interesting indeed

"What is real? How do you define real

Anything that can be observed by multiple people. E.g. An entity within the phase is not "real" unless more than two people can see it and comfirm what they saw was the same entity. That's a hard example...

A better example would be a hallucination. It may seem real to someone but unless multiple people see it at the same time it is not real. You obviously know I am not just a hallucination because your not the only one seeing my post. This is proven by that fact that multiple people reply to what I say.

True Philip true And I look forward to the day that it get proved that way.

But my point is that we can't define the "real" because it's always electrical signals in our brain...

Like if we say that our physical world is real, we have to understand that it's our brain that make it appear as it do. This illusion can be done with a spinning diamond that you hold in your hand but to make it simple I'll ink a video. The dancers direction is depending on whether you use the right side of the brain or the left side of the brain the most. (At least that the explanation the video give)

But what is the correct or REAL direction?

If you concentrate and look at the bottom foot and visualize it spin the other way you will soon find that you can control it's direction 

So if I see it spinning the right way and you see it spinning the left way does that mean that it isn't real? And last question in which direction is it really spinning?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9CEr2GfGilw

You want to know the answer? See you on msn haha!

So if I see it spinning the right way and you see it spinning the left way does that mean that it isn't real? And last question in which direction is it really spinning?

Being into animation and computers myself that's an easy one to solve. The direction it is spinning is nonexistent. Instead it's just showing an image half way between finished then finished and your mind fills in the gaps to make it "spin" in a certain direction.

Our mind creates a lot of things... E.g. The color "pink" doesn't actually exist. Our mind creates the colour pink in the absence of green so really it's just a blind spot...

Proof: http://www.news.com.au/technology/sci-t ... 6170794531

Exactly! Nonexistent!

I can't help but get amazed by these paradoxes because it can both be used to explain the existence of a god or to explain the astral as just as real as the physical world but at the same time be used to argue against that.

I used to believe that god or gods didn't exist and that the lucid dreams wasn't real because they were created by my brain.

But the arguments for both sides can always be turned against each other.

My previous belief: "God or gods doesn't exist because they are impossible and unexplainable and I don't believe in supernatural phenomenons. And the creation of the world and everything there is started with a big explosion of matter and energy.
And god can not be observed scientifically so it's very unlikely that he/she/it exist at all"

"My lucid dreams are just a mishmash of my memories and just imagination."

My confusion now:

"The big bang itself is already impossible everything come from nothing, or the universe have always been there and this is the exact problem as god. So both of these belief systems is based on some supernatural or impossible belief."

"The lucid dreams or astral world have provided information to people beyond their previous knowledge so how can it be mind created? Our physical world is perceived through our brain and our dreams are also perceived through our brain so why is the physical world real and the other not?"

I have chosen to not believe any side until I get proven otherwise. Because so far I am not convinced ..

This drives me crazy.. So what do you think? Should I approach this rational or empirical? (can't fully trust either of them)

This drives me crazy.. So what do you think? Should I approach this rational or empirical? (can't fully trust either of them)

Take it one step at a time Chris... You and I should first trust and follow what tony says. He has given us proof but we keep denying it. For example there's proof of phychic readings being accurate before I was even born (I'm referring to the "Philip" me and not the other me). Here's what happened back in 1992:

"My parents were going to get married in July and the wedding was all planed. They found a psychic offering a free reading and my mum wanted to get a reading. The psychic said "hearts will meet in September" and my mum furiously walked away saying "no, the wedding is in July".

A few days later they received a phone call from the church hosting their wedding and unfortunately it had a massive accident and needed to get everything repaired. When The church was finnaly repaired the priest called them and said your wedding will be in September."

Coincidence? I don't think so... Something "supernatural" was definitely going on and there's a force beyond human understanding. You and I need to pull ourselves together Chris and stop getting intertwined in confusion and false beliefs corrupting the unmergered and powerless earth we struggle to free ourselves from.

Always remember one thing Chris... What you think is real will physically become your reality. If you keep denying it the entity will leave you and back into this defunct world you will fall. Just pull through... Just 4 more months and reality will literally be shaped into our desires. You have made it this far and I can't lose you or any of the others now. I almost dropped out myself but I can't let my doubtful human mind pull me out of the real reality that exists everywhere and anytime us and the universe council direct it to flow. We can make it through to the truth if we just hold on and follow their orders a little longer allowing us to surface beyond our weak forms and warp into our infinite future

Beautiful  and you are right.

I always over analyze things from now on I'll stop thinking so hard and just go with the flow.

Hearing those words from you were very helpful. 

Ps. Sorry for the huge off-topic Summerlander... But that video made me think too much as usual 

Seen this?
http://gizmodo.com/5843117/scientists-r ... n-activity