Lucid Dreaming and OBE Discussion Board

Hello and welcome to the official "Let's Expose Unproven Theories" topic. Here we discuss unproven theories and debate whether or not they are real. Skeptics and believers are both allowed to give input into the discussion whether or not they have absolute proof of the theories existence. The topic's first post will continuously update with new theories and results. Do not feel like you need to use any type of formatting in your posts as I will correctly format your results into the first post.

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Theories Proof Status:
Energy Testing - Undecided +2
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Overview Of Theories:

Energy Testing: In our body's we have spiritual energy which controls how we feel and how strong we are throughout the day. Astral projection (leaving your physical body and traveling with your astral body into the astral dimension (the phase)) uses the idea that energy is used to do this. By raising your energy high enough you should be able to enter the phase at will. Energy testing is a way to see how much energy you have overall or in certain parts of your body. Remember this discussion is not proving whether or not spiritual energy exists... Its whether or not "Energy Testing" is real/accurate. Please watch the whole YouTube video (6 Minutes) at this link for a recorded demonstration "proving" it's existence before commenting: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HErzYIN1Me8
Perform the test with a friend or partner and post the results... Lets see if energy testing works once and for all. If you want to see more go ahead and look at the rest of those YouTube videos.

Proof/Disproof:

Energy Testing:
12padams - Semi Believer = +1
- Tested the technique once on his friend Daniel (without telling Daniel what he was doing) and it worked perfectly. He drained and gave back energy successfully and when pressing down on Daniels arm with the same amount of pressure 12padams saw that the energy test worked. As this was only done once it can't be fully confirmed as true.

Masterg174 - Semi Believer = +1
He experienced the feeling of energy loss when I stole his energy and saw the amazing results of this energy test when I performed it on him in mid-2011. He definitely believes in energy but since this test was done once it can't be fully confirmed as it could have been a freaky coincidence.

Types Of Theory Status Changes:

User = +3 - Complete proof with video evidence, demonstrable at anytime
User = +2 - Full proof/belief -demonstrated but not under complete test conditions
User = +1 - Slight proof/belief -undemonstrated to others on request
User = -1 - Doesn't believe in theory/attempted and failed
User = +2 - Proof of failure with video/demonstrable evidence following all required steps
User = +3 - Full proof involving the person who created the theory with video evidence of them failing to prove their theory exists under test conditions.

If a theory gets 10 or more + points it will be "true" but with 10 or more - points it will be "false"!

hahaha yeah I remember that test lol, I actually felt weaker after trying it. It was a while ago (2009 I think or maybe 2010), but there was definitely some energy loss. You should mention that unlike in the video, you used your whole hand the second time after draining my energy and it still stayed up. Maybe we could get this on video as well, would be cool to try it out again. Was quite an intriguing test and I was very surprised it worked.

Also, you should try an astral test where someone will astral project or project something (whether it be an image, place or object) into the astral from within their bodies, and then the other person will confirm what they saw. I know it's been tried before and failed but whats odd about this test is, often with objects that have been their for a long time they're much easier to spot. Maybe it's got to do with the amount of energy they are vibrating, perhaps it increases over time. Needles to say it's still possible with very new objects within the astral. In this case we are creating the object and thus can project as much energy as is needed.

Long distance energy connections work but are harder to establish and not as vivid/harder to see finer details. I know that from personal experience being able to see places a friend was trying to show me but them not being very vivid, and harder to make out fine details.

Also try out this AP technique...I read this on another forum somewhere. Motion can be an effective way to have a full on out of body experience from waking consciousness.
Someone imagined a building and the motion of traveling up that building and ended up out of their body and on their floor in their room. I might try that and see if it has any results but seems like an effective technique.

Also, you should try an astral test where someone will astral project or project something (whether it be an image, place or object) into the astral from within their bodies, and then the other person will confirm what they saw. I know it's been tried before and failed but whats odd about this test is, often with objects that have been their for a long time they're much easier to spot. Maybe it's got to do with the amount of energy they are vibrating, perhaps it increases over time. Needles to say it's still possible with very new objects within the astral. In this case we are creating the object and thus can project as much energy as is needed.

Just so you know I have made an account on spiritual forums in hope that someone there could prove that the astral dimension exists and has real links to the physical. Sadly a sceptic member from spiritual forums has hidden an object in their house waiting to be found however over 2 years no one has passed their test. I really doubt it will work but if someone here wants to try that experiement they can and I would be willing to allow then "astrally" into my house. I will add that theory to this thread eventually but for now please just talk about envy testing.

Someone imagined a building and the motion of traveling up that building and ended up out of their body and on their floor in their room. I might try that and see if it has any results but seems like an effective technique.

Yes imagined motion is a common phase entry technqiue. E.g. Monroe's rope technqiue (similar to that building one).

Just so you know I have made an account on spiritual forums in hope that someone there could prove that the astral dimension exists and has real links to the physical. Sadly a sceptic member from spiritual forums has hidden an object in their house waiting to be found however over 2 years no one has passed their test. I really doubt it will work but if someone here wants to try that experiement they can and I would be willing to allow then "astrally" into my house. I will add that theory to this thread eventually but for now please just talk about envy testing.

Really..two years. I must try and find some evidence of success with these techniques. From what I've read it hasn't worked for a lot of people. I'm not accusing him or anything, but how do we know for sure he's really hidden an object at his house? It's likely he has but you never know could be pulling our legs lol...
Hence I wouldn't mind trying this test out with you...I couldn't try it with an old object because I'm much too familiar with your house and it would prove nothing but I would just like to give a go at a test similar to the one we tried with Tony. Perhaps we can modify it a bit and give a go at projecting energy also. I don't doubt at all what I saw with Chris, so I am certain the phase/astral is telepathic in at least some way. We just need to find a test and have the environment set up in such a way that it makes this test more successful.

Another thing I'll say is, when I did astral project with Chris during our Skype chat, we both found it difficult to see clearly and that's due to our long distance as we are not in the same countries. I don't know where this guy on spiritual forums lives but maybe people testing all live far away...still I would expect at least someone to have success. Hmm maybe I'll give that test a go later on...I doubt i'll get anywhere with it but I wouldn't mind giving it a go anyway. Can you link me with it?

Another thing I'll say is, when I did astral project with Chris during our Skype chat, we both found it difficult to see clearly and that's due to our long distance as we are not in the same countries. I don't know where this guy on spiritual forums lives but maybe people testing all live far away...still I would expect at least someone to have success. Hmm maybe I'll give that test a go later on...I doubt i'll get anywhere with it but I wouldn't mind giving it a go anyway. Can you link me with it?

Having difficulty seeing things... I think your referring to remote viewing. With that said if you want to try the test then go to my intro post on spiritual forums and contact the first guy who welcomed me there. Heres a link: http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/showt ... hp?t=33977

Last of all I am not going to be able to "astral project" with you and the others anymore because I am too doubtful about all this. The more failures I witness the more sceptic I become and I only have 0.1% of belief left so I can't witness another failure or it will crush me. Let's just focus on the current theory here of energy testing since it has proven slightly real to me. If you want to discus ap tests with members on this forum make another thread please.