Lucid Dreaming and OBE Discussion Board

I've been lucid dreaming since I was a kid, 80% of my entrances are conscious dreaming, the other 20% are direct entrances, I wish I'd read this book years ago because everything I'd learned up until now was through trial and error and I didn't know there was such a thing as deepening. Last night I became lucid in a dream and was in the middle of Washington DC for some reason so I went on a rampage (nothing more fun than rampaging in a big city) and I now knew about palpating and peering so I managed to keep to phase 100% vivid throughout the whole thing. I've had phases that were 150% vivid before, more real than real life, I want to learn to deepen my phases so that they are hyperreal now.

Barnacle wrote: was in the middle of Washington DC for some reason so I went on a rampage (nothing more fun than rampaging in a big city)

I've got to admit one of my LD goals is to go on a rampage through my childhood home town (which I hate) with a flamethrower and a bazooka.

Another deepening technique you may not know about is to simply get on your hands and knees and crawl along the floor. (I got that from the guy who developed the SSILD technique.)

Barnacle wrote: I've been lucid dreaming since I was a kid, 80% of my entrances are conscious dreaming, the other 20% are direct entrances, I wish I'd read this book years ago because everything I'd learned up until now was through trial and error and I didn't know there was such a thing as deepening.

You can here from spiritual forums right? Yes, I have the same name there and I am sure I saw you there too. You see why its hard for me to accept their theory's when this book works and is really convincing and true

Still I haven't given up... I can't say their wrong until I at least be on their side for a few more years without disagreeing with them. Even then I won't say "your wrong" to them. I'll simply leave...

Another deepening technique you may not know about is to simply get on your hands and knees and crawl along the floor. (I got that from the guy who developed the SSILD technique.)

Truthfully anything you are told is a deepening technique will work. You see... The phase deepens when you think it will deepen but touching things does enhance this process dramatically which is why palpating is fantastic. If you think saying "deepen" will deepen the state then it will... Best of all if you think the state will remain deepened without performing techniques then you will never have to deepen it as long as you believe it won't fade. My friend tony never deepens for that exact reason

Overall just don't believe the phase is ridiculously unstable and requires constant deepening... I made that mistake about 3 months ago which made me literally have to start deepening as soon as I got to the phase just know that the phase is stable and you will be ok... Whatever you think is the truth about the phase really is as long as you believe it

TheOnerous wrote:

Barnacle wrote: was in the middle of Washington DC for some reason so I went on a rampage (nothing more fun than rampaging in a big city)

I've got to admit one of my LD goals is to go on a rampage through my childhood home town (which I hate) with a flamethrower and a bazooka.

Another deepening technique you may not know about is to simply get on your hands and knees and crawl along the floor. (I got that from the guy who developed the SSILD technique.)

My phases often start on the street that I grew up on for some reason. Theres just houses around there I can't really do much of a rampage. The best place to rampage is in a big city. I'm gonna try that crawling technique. The more deepening techniques the better.

12padams wrote: You can here from spiritual forums right? Yes, I have the same name there and I am sure I saw you there too. You see why its hard for me to accept their theory's when this book works and is really convincing and true

Still I haven't given up... I can't say their wrong until I at least be on their side for a few more years without disagreeing with them. Even then I won't say "your wrong" to them. I'll simply leave...

Yeah, I know what you mean. I've been becoming lucid in dreams my whole life and when I see people describe my experiences as "OBEs", I can't help but wonder if their so called out of body experiences are actually just lucid dreams. I don't like this "phase" label as it lumps too many things together into one. Sleep paralysis is definitely not the same thing as lucid dreaming. They are two very different things. Hypnagogic hallucinations often scare the crap out of me. Lucid dreams never scare me. Strange things happen in sleep paralysis. I've remote viewed a few times while in sleep paralysis. When you have experiences like that, its not that hard to believe that something like astral projection could exist. I've never experienced astral projection though so my mind isn't made up as to whether it exists or not.

12padams wrote: Truthfully anything you are told is a deepening technique will work. You see... The phase deepens when you think it will deepen but touching things does enhance this process dramatically which is why palpating is fantastic. If you think saying "deepen" will deepen the state then it will... Best of all if you think the state will remain deepened without performing techniques then you will never have to deepen it as long as you believe it won't fade. My friend tony never deepens for that exact reason

Thats exactly what I was thinking. Like the placebo effect. Don't say this to people though because these techniques might not work for them if they think of it like this. When you told me that rubbing your hands together while in mid air works, I believed you 100% because you seem to be highly experienced with lucid dreaming. When I tried it, it worked like a charm. Its so much easier than palpating and peering, I'm gonna start doing that way more often.

12padams wrote: Overall just don't believe the phase is ridiculously unstable and requires constant deepening... I made that mistake about 3 months ago which made me literally have to start deepening as soon as I got to the phase just know that the phase is stable and you will be ok... Whatever you think is the truth about the phase really is as long as you believe it

I'd been going into the phase for years, well before I ever read anything about it and my phases started becoming less and less stable over the years because I started thinking about it blurring more and more often. These deepening techniques are brilliant for me because they are a way to recover from this blurring. An interesting deepening technique I learned over the years is to half believe that its not a dream and that its actually real. Notice how you never have a problem with blurring when you are in non lucid dreams. Thats because you think its real.

When you told me that rubbing your hands together while in mid air works, I believed you 100% because you seem to be highly experienced with lucid dreaming. When I tried it, it worked like a charm.

Yes, you had confidence which is the absolute key in anything phase related. For example as I wrote my first book "entering the phase" I tried out a variety of techniques for phase entry. Each new chapter was the abandoning of my previous technique and the discovery of a new technique.

Eventually I discovered something interesting... A lot of the time I started a new chapter/technique I had a phase experience instantly due to my confidence that I will succed at the beginning of the new chapter/technique. Once I fail a technique I lose confidence in it and it stops working. This just proves that the technique you use is irrelivent and only your belief that it will work is. Experts are only experts because the believe they are which makes them enter the phase with ease. The more you enter the phase the more confidence you gain and the snowball of success builds.

Another interesting point to note is that when I read the "advanced practitioner" section of the practical guidebook a long time ago it said that we wake up in the phase each morning and only need to get out of bed and deepen the state. I believed that and thought I had solved all my problems. The next morning I awoke and performed a realty check knowing that I was in the phase and guess what... I was sadly this technique failed to work the next day (since I thought I fluked it the first time) and I lost confidence in it.