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Staying confident

Posted: Sun Aug 21, 2011 3:12 am
by Anthony Pucci
I'm coming up on the 9-month mark since I started trying this, and I still have almost nothing to show for it. I have one very short separation every 2 months or so; it's just enough to keep me from giving up. I keep being told that confidence is very important to the practice, but after nearly 3/4 of a year of nightly failures, it takes a toll not only on my confidence in the practice, but also in my self-esteem to some extent.

I know what I want to do in the phase. I have about 4 different plans I'd like to enact, but 9 times out of 10, I don't even wake up with the intent to try and separate. I'll just sleep through the night and wake up with my mind completely blank before it quickly turns to a song or something that happened on a video game I played recently. (I also usually don't remember my dreams.) Yes, I use the deferred method and wake up after about 6 hours of sleep, screw around for a few minutes, say something like writing in a journal or using the restroom, then go back to sleep and wake up in the morning with the above problem.

On the rare nights I do remember to separate, most of the time I quickly give up from lack of any movement or fall asleep. As stated above, I will have some movement or a very brief separation about once every 2 months, which is just enough to keep me from saying "screw it."

So now I'm starting to lose faith. I'm stubborn and breaks don't do anything more than frustrate me further. There's somebody I wish to see, many places I want to see, and many things I'd like to learn, but I can't do any of it because I'm constantly failing. So how, after nine months of disappointment, can I regain enough confidence to be able to realize my dreams and start separating more often? Outside of confidence, what could I be doing wrong? I've got all the basics pretty much memorized, and everything I can think of that might be causing problems never seems to get me anywhere.

Please, give me a little hope. I don't want to give up on this too.

Re: Staying confident

Posted: Sun Aug 21, 2011 5:27 am
by dreamsrock
Have u ever tried a multiple alarm?  I too had a difficult time having success.  It wasn't until i used one of these alarms that i finally experienced the phase like is described in SOBT.  It only worked 3 times for me but I guess that was enough to get me on the right track. Read here for more info 
http://obe4u.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?p=1043#p1043

Re: Staying confident

Posted: Sun Aug 21, 2011 12:59 pm
by Anthony Pucci
dreamsrock wrote: Have u ever tried a multiple alarm?  I too had a difficult time having success.  It wasn't until i used one of these alarms that i finally experienced the phase like is described in SOBT.  It only worked 3 times for me but I guess that was enough to get me on the right track. Read here for more info 
http://obe4u.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?p=1043#p1043
No I haven't. You said you were using an iphone app, but I don't own an iphone. Would a regular alarm clock work?

Re: Staying confident

Posted: Sun Aug 21, 2011 4:08 pm
by Michael Raduga
We should make it clear: there are no problems with confidence and with methods, but there's a problem with making attempts itself. It's very hard to help you, when you cannot get this first step by yourself.

I cannot see any mistakes in your actions. I don't think it is a good idea to use some devices and supplements.

Maybe, you want it too much. You have to reduce your eagerness somehow. Take a break for week or two. By the end of September a new version of SOBT will be translated to English. I hope, it'll help you a lot.

Re: Staying confident

Posted: Mon Aug 22, 2011 1:08 am
by Anthony Pucci
Michael Raduga wrote: We should make it clear: there are no problems with confidence and with methods, but there's a problem with making attempts itself. It's very hard to help you, when you cannot get this first step by yourself.

I cannot see any mistakes in your actions. I don't think it is a good idea to use some devices and supplements.

Maybe, you want it too much. You have to reduce your eagerness somehow. Take a break for week or two. By the end of September a new version of SOBT will be translated to English. I hope, it'll help you a lot.
So you're saying that it's not lack of confidence or mistakes with the actions I take during the day/when trying to separate? What could it be then? Why can I never remember?

Re: Staying confident

Posted: Mon Aug 22, 2011 8:07 am
by wiii
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[/quote]So you're saying that it's not lack of confidence or mistakes with the actions I take during the day/when trying to separate? What could it be then? Why can I never remember?[/quote]

I for example used to get more vivid phases...as a newbie..then for about 2 months or maybe better...i had no phase at all...now I started to have them again..and I realised that now I remember very little from the phase...but practice will overcome this all!
I think a major problem for getting the phase and even remembering the phase..is ..all those taught during the day..our minds get very busy with day to day problems...and all we can think of is those,even if we do not realise..too much worries about tomorrow or about our close future...all theese I think could be causing hard entry to the phase,or if phase is achieved hard to remember..!!
Try to let go all of your problems when you go to bed...forget about them.it will not work very good at first,but then slowly..if you make a habbit from this..I think chances for the phase will increase!
This is my opinion!
I have stuff to do on my day to day life...and somehow I feel i'm thinking too much to those problems sometimes..you need to just trust that all will be good,not trust or think..be sure of that,and you will se that so it will be!
As i said theese are just my opinions :)

Re: Staying confident

Posted: Mon Aug 22, 2011 8:19 am
by Michael Raduga
There's another solution for your situation:
try direct techniques using deferred method
(don't wake up too much at 6am in this case and reread the Chapter 3 of SOBT)

Re: Staying confident

Posted: Sat Aug 27, 2011 11:43 pm
by WheresRaven
So now I'm starting to lose faith. I'm stubborn and breaks don't do anything more than frustrate me further. There's somebody I wish to see, many places I want to see, and many things I'd like to learn, but I can't do any of it because I'm constantly failing. So how, after nine months of disappointment, can I regain enough confidence to be able to realize my dreams and start separating more often? Outside of confidence, what could I be doing wrong? I've got all the basics pretty much memorized, and everything I can think of that might be causing problems never seems to get me anywhere.

Please, give me a little hope. I don't want to give up on this too.
I agree with wiii.
Also I think that you may try to give yourself some more relaxing time in the day (relaxing the mind).  Even if just for a moment.  Cause when the mind is settled, then so is the body.  If the mind is always racing, then the body clenches up... usually in whatever places you find to be the most sore, because this act of clenching those certain places is habitual. .... starting way back in childhood, when the stresses of expectation began.
I recommend strolling around in quiet places such as a nearby forest or riverside.  Allow your nature to calm you down.  Sitting in one spot and allowing your senses to expand out.
It's not as easy as it sounds because of the habit of expectation.... the constant chattering of the mind on the body.
DROP IT... because there is no other place in reality (the land of the growing) except NOW.  Any other thought about any other place or time, is simply a leash pulling at you...  a waste of energy.  (there is a balance ofcourse... the middle way... but to get there you have to drop little tiny weights of silence onto the scale of mind and no mind)
The more you practice at your 'secret spot' in the woods... or whereever there is natural stimuli, the more you will balance out, and see that the mind is simply a tool, and not the 'you, you think you are'

Another thing to try is stop assuming.
You don't REALLY know what someone else is thinking, so to settle on your assumed idea amounts to shutting off your awareness, and placing an 'image' on them (the world), which is indeed a lie. (we get these images from our culture).....  because NOTHING (no thing) is explainable.

Be positive.  Even in times of dispair.  Because for every bad there is a good. For every up, a down,every in, an out, front a back, friend an enemy.... and so on...............This is faith.
It is a conspiracy the mind creates (through a consumer culture) that keeps us separating the oneness (truth) into conceptual pieces.

It helps me... anyways...
take it easy