Lucid Dreaming and OBE Discussion Board

I read the whole guidebook and throughout there was no age limit shown, but I am 14 and having lots of trouble trying to enter the phase. The reason probably is that I cannot wake up with my eyes closed and not move but I was wondering if it is because of my age?? I know that you have to want it to get into the phase which I do but that really is not helping.

Also MR.Raduga I know this has nothing to do with this but I want to come to The seminar In LA, and I know that I would have to be 18 but can I come anyway or is it a strict rule? I could bring my dad or an adult.

Im 20 dude and i was like 19 when i read sobt and it took like 6 months before i had a phase experience and i still trouble with waking without moving. Alot of times i can do it cause ive tried so many times that somtimes i just dont move and then im like 'hey im awake' but other times i move and in this case i dont worry and do the techniques. I would not stress too much on not being able to move. Alot of times i move and start techniques and doze off but in my dreams i seperate, other times i get some insane vibrations then i practice seperating. So no there is No age limit most of these guys have had lucid dreams and out of body experiences when they were a kid and i think thats what gets most of us so intrested in the phase. I could swear when i was a kid i had lucid dreams almost constantly but i didnt know that they were what is called lucid dream and michael showed me how to use deepening to make the phase sensational. I will reccomend you post some of your attempts on seperating, im sure michael and these other guys can help. Michael helped me when i posted my stuff so keeping trying and i also reccomend taking it slow. I want to go to the phase every day if i could but somtimes im too passive. I know  its a mistake but i dont get impatient. Just like you im young so just keep practicing, it is very much worth it.

Happy travels.

Thanks man, but another question I dont understand how your suppose to feel something?? like even last night I woke up prob at like 3 am and since  I moved and opened my eyes I tried forced falling asleep for 10-15 seconds. Then I tried Phantom wiggling in Which I could not feel anything, then I tried the images one but could not see any. My point is I know I am suppose to do 3-5 techniques 4 times until something happens but when I did it the first time everything felt the same and empty, like I dont understand how to feel do the techniques when I do them it always feels the same. 

Also I do not under stand how you can enter the phase by lucid dreams ive had some but  I can do watever I want in the dream it didnt feel realistic the only other thing i could do is wake myself up be destroying the world(which i have done).

Your age isn't a problem itself. Maybe, the problem is that you cannot read attentively.

It's not obligatory to wake up without movings and opening eyes.

Also MR.Raduga I know this has nothing to do with this but I want to come to The seminar In LA, and I know that I would have to be 18 but can I come anyway or is it a strict rule? I could bring my dad or an adult.

In this case you need permission of both of your parents. If you will have this, write your contacts to obe4u@obe4u.com

P.S. Wait for new SOBT in 3-4 weeks on this site. It'll help you a lot 

Thanks and I'll get the next SOBT for sure and I do have permission.

My dad sent the contacts and permission from his gmail account.

I dont understand how your suppose to feel something??

Sometimes when I wake up I just KNOW that I'm going to get out by the feeling I get. I'm faaaar from a great phaser but I can read my bodily or non bodily cues.  With practice you will be able to aswell.

Wen you feel it you will know what it is. It's a hard thing to discribe as it's most probably different for everyone. Have you watched the youtube vids? I had alot more results after watching them as you get a better understanding of what your actually supposed to be doing.

My point is I know I am suppose to do 3-5 techniques 4 times until something happens but when I did it the first time everything felt the same and empty

When this happens to me I go back to sleep with the intention of attepmting again the next time I wake up.

since  I moved and opened my eyes I tried forced falling asleep for 10-15 seconds.

I got into the phase the other morning after opening my eyes and moving. I didn't do forced falling asleep after like I usually do and I sill got in!! Just keep trying. Some mornings it doesn't happen others it does. When it happend for you, you will realise just how easy it is!  Excited to hear of your progress. Keep it up!

THX luna... can you help me one more time by answering my topic in all qusetions