Lucid Dreaming and OBE Discussion Board

Hello everyone. I'm new here.

First of all, I want to thank you all for your wonderful experiences and making the book available for free. I'm so excited to get into the phase for real (maybe too excited?) but I encounter a few issues. I'll try to describe them very brief.

Phantom wiggling: When I try to phantom wiggle I'm never sure how to distinguish phantom movement from real (muscle) movement. When I wiggle. It seems like 'm doing a phantom movement but somewhere in the process I feel my muscles moving anyway. Even when I'm doing another technique and the vibrations + sounds start to occur, the second I try to "stand up to enter the phase" I feel my muscles twitch and it's over. Is there some kind of practice/test to know for sure that a movement is truly a phantom movement?

Temperature: When I'm trying to go into the phase, most of the times my body seems to heat up very fast. Even when I turn down the thermostate, open a window and sleep without any blankets (which is very uncomfortable) My body seems to heat up so much, it disturbs me and takes away my concentration. Am I doing something wrong?

Images: I never see any real images. Only some blueish yellow static in the center. When I try to focus on the static. It starts to move. When I try to follow the image with my eyes, they open. I don't know why. I can't seem to control them at that point.

I hope you can give me some pointers. I really want to experience the phase so badly. I know that I'm very close because I can (to a certain point) start the vibration. Movement is where it goes wrong.

I hope you can help me.

Thanks again and keep up the good work.

Vmu

Hi and welcome, VMU!

I am not Michael Raduga but I will be representing a branch of his school here in the UK.  I can give you some guidance but, if you want to delve into the answers that you are looking for, then reading his new School of Out-of-Body Travel thoroughly is a great start.

Let's see...

As soon as you wake up, try to separate from the body by standing up, rolling out or levitating.  I usually start rolling from the head and find that the rest of the body follows.  Once I have successfully rolled out, I check that what has moved was my dream body and what surrounds me is a product of the phase.  I'd also like to mention that, during the rolling method of separation, I continue to carry it out even if the sensation appears to tell me that I am moving physically.  You must remember that all experience, whether of the waking or sleeping kind, happens in the mind and this is why it can be hard to distinguish reality from dreams.

I usually sleep first, wake up and engage in some sort of activity, and then go down to enter the phase (the deferred method).  But I also try separation within the first few seconds of awakening.  If you are going to employ the indirect approach, you must attempt separation as the first thing upon awakening and before cycling through indirect techniques.  You might be surprised to find that separation works straight away and thus forgo the cycles.

You will find both what leads to success and what leads to failure in amazing detail in SOBT.  Just carry out the instructions without giving the action much thought.  Follow the instructions "robotically...no matter what things may seem to you or what thoughts enter your mind" as Michael put it.  This is to be applied during separation and during the cycling techniques if they are required.

The suggested techniques that you can choose from to cycle through are: rotation, swimming, observing images, hand visualisation, and phantom wiggling. - Pick 2-3 and spend about 3-5 seconds on each before alternating.  If you get results with one...stick to it!!  Do 4 cycles or more in the course of a minute in order to find what one will work for you.  Bear in mind that, just because a technique doesn't work in the first round doesn't mean that it won't work in the second or third and so forth.

In regards to body temperature...

Your body produces heat especially when it is pumping adrenaline (which narrows your chances of entering the phase).  Remember the kids in Nightmare On Elm Street when they were taking shots of epinephrine in order to keep out of Freddy Krueger's world?  Well, the film was right.

The uncomfortable warmth when you are trying to enter the phase may also be accompanied by palpitations - another hallmark of the activation of the central nervous and endocrine systems.  As you can see, these symptoms are quite natural, but very distracting too.  You can still go ahead with trying to induce the phase state by focusing on the mental rather than paying attention to what is happening physically and being analytical of it.  It is also worth knowing that the amygdala in the human brain is associated with fight-or-flight sensations and stimulates the hypothalamus regions which in turn activates the adrenal glands.

If you need to fall asleep in order to wake up to try the indirect approach, do so.  Adrenaline can cause you to become to alert - sometimes even to the point that you can't go back to sleep - in which case, you can decide that you are not physiologically primed for the occasion and it may be best to try some other time.

Good luck with entering the phase and look out for the "Algorithm of Action Upon Awakenings" diagram in SOBT.  It's immensely helpful and easy to understand.

Thank you very much. I'll read-up and practice.