Re: indirect technique with alarm clock ?

jarekf · Post by **jarekf** » Mon Nov 22, 2010 12:44 am

Hello,

I have problems with awakening without moving. Is the "natural" awakening important? Or could I use a gentle and short alarm (which doesn't require turning off) set for the morning (e.g. an hour before normal time) ?

I tried this, and without success so far, so was wondering if that method is wrong.

Thanks
Jarek

Post by **Michael Raduga** » Mon Nov 22, 2010 1:27 am

Try never use any alarm. No one of experienced practitioners use it

Try do not move after awakening. But if you did so it is not a big problem. In this case start from techniques but not with separation. And use forced falling asleep as one of the techniques or simultaneously with them.

SamaS · Post by **SamaS** » Mon Nov 22, 2010 10:37 pm

Why must we not use an alarm?

Post by **Michael Raduga** » Tue Nov 23, 2010 2:44 am

It alerts your mind

And you lose 50-75% of chances to be in the phase

SamaS · Post by **SamaS** » Wed Nov 24, 2010 11:17 pm

Thank you very much Michael

Post by **Michael Raduga** » Tue Nov 30, 2010 6:57 am

1,2 - just try to do it. Over and over again. You will get it if realy will try it

3 - it must be just imagining during training. Immediately after awakening the same effort will bring real sensations

DreamMaster · Post by **DreamMaster** » Sun Aug 07, 2011 1:20 pm

Michael Raduga wrote: It alerts your mind

And you lose 50-75% of chances to be in the phase

This is simply NOT true!!!
Rythmn napping useing a programmable alarm is a GREAT tool for entering tha phase, it is used by thousands of people, just check out saltcube.com

I've used it many times and highly recomend it to beginners, it works like a charm and after some training you will not need it again... Look at it as "practice wheels" ;-)

Post by **Summerlander** » Sun Aug 07, 2011 10:14 pm

DreamMaster,

I think you are missing the point here. Either that or you are hellbent on satirising Michael Raduga - if this is the case that what a terrible human trait on your part.

It is best not to rely on alarms, because, if you do, one day you may find that you are missing one when you wish to enter the Phase. What then? Do not rely on alarms, people! Program yourself to wake up. This is simply the best way.

DreamMaster · Post by **DreamMaster** » Mon Aug 08, 2011 2:33 am

Summerlander wrote: DreamMaster,

It is best not to rely on alarms, because, if you do, one day you may find that you are missing one when you wish to enter the Phase. What then? Do not rely on alarms, people! Program yourself to wake up. This is simply the best way.

Why is it either this or that?
Reality is not white or black - it's diffenet shades and colours!

If there's no room for others opinions and experiences, why bother calling it a discussion forum?

Of course - it is best to do anything WITHOUT any aids, however many people struggle with different focusing issues, and in my reality an alarmclock is more prefered than drugs.

What you call "simply the best way" is what people train for - it is not where they are. I agree that it is the best way, but it is also a way that have to be practiced to master, and this is where the alarm aid comes in handy for SOME people.

People are stessed, "out of their minds" and sceptical - all of which makes ld/ap harder to accomplish. In these situations and others the alarm clock is a handy tool.

Post by **Summerlander** » Mon Aug 08, 2011 4:07 pm

If there's no room for others opinions and experiences, why bother calling it a discussion forum?

But yours is not even an opinion. You are spreading erroneous ideas when the facts that help people move forward have already been established.

Of course - it is best to do anything WITHOUT any aids, however many people struggle with different focusing issues, and in my reality an alarmclock is more prefered than drugs.

Dear lord...for the last time, use an alarm clock if you will but don't rely on it so much. You should train your mind to wake up when you want. As for drugs, what do they have to do with anything? What??

What you call "simply the best way" is what people train for - it is not where they are. I agree that it is the best way, but it is also a way that have to be practiced to master, and this is where the alarm aid comes in handy for SOME people.

People who solely rely on alarm clocks and don't care to do it independently are not moving forward - they are being lazy! It's a copout!!

People are stessed, "out of their minds" and sceptical - all of which makes ld/ap harder to accomplish. In these situations and others the alarm clock is a handy tool.

This is just a lame excuse. It all depends on how one conducts themselves. Also, the Phase state can help people to overcome their stress and consider other perspectives when dealing with their lives. You are encouraging people to rely on something that won't always be there. Not having to rely on anything and training your mind to be strong and confident in that results will be achieved is the best way.

You know what? Your erroneous posts are actually helping me to explain to the newbie what is the best way to go about things. You are doing me, Michael Raduga and the senior members a favour as ironic as this statement sounds.