Re: Reality of "phase"/OOBE ?

innerpilot · Post by **innerpilot** » Thu May 13, 2010 4:34 am

E, what do you mean by "spiritual worlds"?

koi · Post by **koi** » Sun May 16, 2010 5:13 am

yes this was my exact question in my post where I asked what Michael's philosophy is. I also want to know what Michael's beliefs are in terms of what the phase really is...

innerpilot · Post by **innerpilot** » Tue May 18, 2010 12:37 pm

Well, I hope E nigma comes back some time and explains what he/she means by "spiritual worlds". I don't think Mr. Raduga uses such terms. At least I havn't encountered such as of yet.

innerpilot · Post by **innerpilot** » Thu May 20, 2010 9:11 am

E nigma, I have not completed the reading of the book yet. Could you please indicate what passages, pages, that led you to the above conclusion? Thank you.

menriquez · Post by **menriquez** » Fri May 21, 2010 2:21 am

I hope this announcement is ok for the moderator:

check this out!!

http://www.theartofastralprojection.com ... um-jumping

menriquez · Post by **menriquez** » Fri May 21, 2010 3:24 am

To E-nigma and Innerpilot:

Your discsussions about 'OBE' being "inside the mind" or a real "out of body" is clarified
by Frank Kepple on his description of the OBE experience as a matter of "Focus"

Check out this website:
http://www.astralpulse.com/frankkepple.html

cheers!
Mark

innerpilot · Post by **innerpilot** » Fri May 21, 2010 8:33 am

Menrique, we know all about Astral Pulse and the other OBE programs. The discussion here is about "Phasing" and E nigma's interpretation of Michael Raduga's take on the reality of his phase experience. Sometimes there is a noticable difference between Mr. Raduga's use of the English language, and a professional interpreter's. There are other areas on this forum that clearly indicate a misunderstanding of Mr. Raduga and vice-versa due to difficulty with interpretation. Personally, I have had well over 1000 "phasing" experiences (OBE, Astral Travel, etc.) for over 50 years. Like E nigma, I am also trying to get a clear undersatnding of Mr. Raduga's meaning and I will wait until I thoroughly digest the book before forming a definite conclusion. Perhaps some day maybe Mr. Raduga will address E nigma's interpretation of his philosophy. Perhaps he already has in some other place I haven't read yet.

innerpilot · Post by **innerpilot** » Sat May 22, 2010 9:48 am

Thank you very much E nigma.

menriquez · Post by **menriquez** » Sat May 22, 2010 5:46 pm

Received yersterday by mail Michael Raduga's book "Ultimate Yoga" "The Technology of the 2012 Transformation". On page 16 explaining the "Phase" or "Phase State" ...."any state in which you are completely self-aware, but at the same time conscious that your are outside of your physical body is the phase." My humble understanding in simple terms is...the phase can be compared to the platform or launching pad away from the sleeping physical body, where a self-concious awareness projects the same awareness to other different heightened situations, experience or conditions (locales) which for all purposes may just be the same platform...what happened is only a change or switch of awareness (experience).
I hope this helps... (I could be wrong though)

mark

innerpilot · Post by **innerpilot** » Sun May 23, 2010 7:43 am

Mark, you seem to have summed up very well some different thoughts on projection. Some people feel the "launching pad" as you put it, is a portal through which one's contained consciousness can travel at will to other locales, not only on this planet but other planets as well and other dimensions. That has been my own personal experience. However some people feel that all this is basically an illusion type experience that happens within one's mind frame and there is no real, measurable exiting of the human body. This is sort of the impression that I think E nigma got from reading Mr. Raduga's book. I am only one third finished the book so I am not qualified to judge from that limited perspective, but so far I have received impressions of both schools of thought.
I am taking notes, jotting down page numbers, when ever I find a reference to either. Thank you so much for posting what you have found. Of course, as always, the proof for each person is his/her own experience, the question being can you objectively verify what seems to be a totally subjective experience? This is what some schools are now trying to answer. One such school is the International Academy of Consciousness. I don't know much about them, I asked people on this forum for info but no one has replied yet. I think they are doing measurable scientific experiments to prove there is actual exiting. You can search them on the web for more info if you want. They've been around for quite awhile. Maybe Mr. Raduga will address this for us and give us a clear understanding of his take on the issue. Right now I am feeling that he does experience real exiting from the human body (the muscular/skeletal framework) and that his school and procedures are designed for that purpose. But if I may quote you, "I could be wrong".

innerpilot · Post by **innerpilot** » Sun May 23, 2010 8:02 pm

Well I keep reading and I keep finding vascillations. I am very aware of what E nigma refers to as marketing tools. A red flag went up for me when I first saw the blonde woman in a seemingly seductive pose and then of course there is the photo of Michael grabbing his crotch which was a very popular thing to do not that long ago; it was considered cool. Perhaps its also to shake up the people who have pre-conceived notions that this phenomenon is supposed to be religiously linked. I don't know whether the marketing tools are truly deceptive or if they are copy cats of western practices. In my dealings with people of Russia, Eastern Europe and Asia, I have often found copy cats of western style but with an entirely different understanding and intent. I am from USA. I'll keep on reading. Whatever Michael Raduga's take on the reality of true exiting from the body is, I find the reading for the most part very interesting, even though I haven't come across anything new yet except for the term "phasing" which is not entirely new. In English, various periods of a person's life are often refered to as "phases". Maybe this biological body is just one phase of many, as some believe. Some years ago, I was told by a psychic that I was a "walk in", that I was not the original person in this body. She told me the original person left when this body was very young. Unknown to the psychic, my mother had told me years earlier that she thought I was going to die when I was about two years old. I think it was pneumonia. So maybe I am a walk-in and using this body for this particular phase. Anyway I am going to continue reading and try to stay open to new experiences. I enjoy learning new things for the most part.

menriquez · Post by **menriquez** » Mon May 24, 2010 6:45 pm

Since we are not hearing from Mr. Raduga any clarification at all maybe it's better just to leave the topic (phase) as is. There is a rather good rejoinder to a discussion from where I am from (California, USA)... (something like "If I sound mysterious, I am!). Lest we miss the forest for the trees, I'll just wait for whatever other inputs from anybody including our generous host Michael Raduga.
Innerpilot.. you mentioned that you have something like 1000 BOEs under your belt. I would presume that you could be considered above average if not an expert projector, Are majority of these experiences controlled? All my experiences were spontaneous and mostly unintelligible, surreal and hazy, that's why there is still a figment of doubt if BOE is for real. If only not for the ever present vibrations and kundalini episodes, I am ready to drop this whole thing... as I mentioned for awhile I lost interest due to my inability to control my experiences. Perhaps, it's due to wrong techniques and subconcious "fear". I saw the "marketing" aspects as you and E-nigma noticed and I found them interesting. On the "crotch" thing, Michael Jackson would have been proud! You would agree, I presume that here in USA, you'll find ads more outlandish and amusing. Suffice it to say, I'll be needing more suggestions from anybody: my email address is: mbaboye@usa.com Thanks..Mark

innerpilot · Post by **innerpilot** » Wed Jun 02, 2010 10:27 pm

Well, I have finished the book, and I understand clearly now E nigma's understanding of Mr. Raduga's philosophy. While I loved the book and relate to so much of it, I have to add that I found lots of contradictions and some limitations as to the depth of Mr.Raduga's understanding. It seems that he has never really had a real OBE, but has been enjoying the "phase" immensely. Or he has had a real OBE but because of his inability to prove it, he finds it unecessary to dwell on that issue. That is all well and good. Like E nigma, I am not being polemic here, just stating an observation. I feel it is a very important work and may open the doors to so much more possibilty but by no means is it the ultimate word in the OBE phenomenon. When I read a person's work that spends time putting down others so that his work stands above them all, well, a red flag goes up for me there. There is a fundamental lack of understanding of the nature of consciousness with that old type of heroic competition. True OBE dissolves the human competitive systems and affords a greater understanding of "we" as opposed to individual ego. However "phasing" can be a very important endeavor, a very important tool in so many areas, not to mention the fun. The book is a tremendous undertaking, and I cannot express my appreciation enough to all those who have helped to make it a "reality". Just don't limit yourselves to any of its conclusions, have fun, and enjoy your journey.

innerpilot · Post by **innerpilot** » Thu Jun 03, 2010 7:00 pm

Developing one's ability to consciously do energy work can lead one to construct an exit strategy that is beyond the seemingly limitations of the brain and muscular/skeletal framework and beyond the scope of Mr. Raduga's work. Mr. Raduga's formula is a good one but is limited. You can use the good parts of it, then go beyond. You can create your own formula as well.The first step is to develop the will, then to engage the power behind the will and not let anyone limit you with limiting concepts no matter what claims they make with their books, etc. Move with the symbols and signals you perceive until you can create, construct, and chart your own course. Remember, feeling, sensation, is a signal, one type of many signals. Enjoy your journey. You are not alone. There are Helpers. You are free to choose. Don't let anyone llimit you, no matter how intelligently written their books seem to be. Learn from everyone, be grateful, then keep going. You are not limited to anyone's concept or argument.

bctb107 · Post by **bctb107** » Wed Jan 12, 2011 11:52 am

while i was trying to do the out o the body experience, i was lying down for like 5 mintues with eyes closed but my mind was awake and my body, so then my arms start getting tight and my stomach start getting heavy and my knees starting shaking and i start hearing noise. do that mean anything? like did it start to work or something. please email me back please

Post by **Michael Raduga** » Wed Jan 12, 2011 6:18 pm

bctb107 wrote: while i was trying to do the out o the body experience, i was lying down for like 5 mintues with eyes closed but my mind was awake and my body, so then my arms start getting tight and my stomach start getting heavy and my knees starting shaking and i start hearing noise. do that mean anything? like did it start to work or something. please email me back please

It means nothing at all. You have no chances while using the way.
Maybe you should read some instructions from the site before asking about your attempts...