Re: Having trouble getting started

[James]

I am reading Robert Bruce's Astral Dynamics, and I'm trying to start doing some NEW energy work.  I would like to begin projecting (or lucid dreaming, whatever you want to call it, I will decide for myself when I am finally able to do it), but I am having trouble getting started.  I don't know if I'm reading it wrong, or if I'm not understanding what I'm supposed to be doing.  If you're familiar with Robert Bruce's work, I'm starting with the energy work on my knees.  I also tried the hand brushing.  I can't seem to get any results; it feels like I'm just sitting there.  I can't seem to get any kind of sensation or awareness in my knee or my palm. 

I am a smoker who has been trying to quit.  Recently I've had some issues with sensation in my fingers and palms, which I attributed to smoking but which may instead be due to the incredible stress I've been under in the last few months, which is also making it hard to quit smoking.  I also haven't been taking very good care of myself since my rough summer began.  I don't know if any of that has anything to do with my energy work issues. 

Does anybody have any advice?  Has anyone experienced trouble with this?  Are there other ways of achieving projection/OBE/lucid dreaming?  Any other resources?

James

[ElRaay]

I once  read a couple books like that and tried the excerises and got nothing out of it. But after reading sobt(School of Out of Body Travel) ive had a few phase experinces and atleast 30 lucid dreams ever since reading it. But i am a slow learner and only until recently have had enough time to practice techniques in the morning. So far i have vibrations every other time i practice the techniques, however I unfortendently live in a very loud area so i get disturbed quite alot during my seperation. But i tend to realize i am dreaming and use deepening to control my dreams. It is quite intresting how Michael(author of sobt) has learned these techniques.

My advice is to download and read sobt and try the techniques in that book. There is a new one coming out  soon so i suggest read the old one then read the new one. The book is more about the practice of the OBE/Lucid dreaming/Astral Projection. I havent made my own conclusion about what the phase environment is but its safe to say that the sobt book has given me a great tool for life. So i say read sobt and make your own conclusion/practice.

Happy travels.

[Summerlander]

ElRaay is right, James.  Do not be swayed by mysticism and I can assure you that so-called "energy work" is a waste of your time.  You don't need any of that whatsoever.  There are certain authors out there who are out to make money and are, in actual fact, making it harder for beginner by making them believe that they must perform difficult exercises and that entering the phase is hard. 

Mr. Bruce has also published very dubious books about self-defence and protection in the "astral dimension" as he calls it.  You don't need any of that.  All you need is to be confident and conquer your fears.  Nothing can harm you there as the phase is most likely a property of the subconscious mind.  Of course, you can choose to believe in anything you want, but, I will say this: this website contains the best epistemology on OOBEs and lucid dreams like you've never seen before (pragmatic sites on this elusive subject are rare) and the techniques in the promoted School of Out of Body Travel by Michael Raduga are simple to perform and can deliver fast results.  I highly recommend it.  Persevere, practice and quit smoking if it's bothering you  (I did and I'm feeling better than ever - I'm free).  Remind yourself every morning of all the reasons why you should quit the ciggies (I don't need to tell you what they are).

SOBT will show you that it can be very simply.

[wiii]

I found out that on of my biker friends is also interested on this subject,so i told him about the book,h came to me,I gave him the E-book version of SOBT and told him to read and try indirect techniques,and to insist at the chapter 2 again after he finishes the book!
So I asked him the next day..''Have you succeeded something?"
Not yet,not really he told me..!
After 3 days he came to me and said ''hey dude I did it and it was awesome"
I said "I told you it is effective book this one''

So james,if you want to start with this AP/OoBE/LD they are all the phase,just the level of lucidity differs from one to another!
I will tell you so...If you want it so bad,just read the SOBT,and you will see results after maximum one week!The desire to achieve it will take you there within a blink of an eye!
Read the book,and then practice,then analyse your mistakes,and correct them on your next experience!!

wiii

[Luna]

SOBT will show you that it can be very simply

YES!

It's soooo simple. You don't understand how simple until it happens to you and you think..."Oh is that all I have to do??"

It really is an AMAZING book. Once you read it you will never look anywhere else!!