Re: Having trouble

Wonderer · Post by **Wonderer** » Fri Aug 19, 2011 7:35 am

Hi, I have been trying to have OBE for about 6 months now, here are few of my problems / confusion
1) I get the noise very often but it just makes me fully awake
2) I see images very often same thing something just wakes me
3) I sometimes get the actual tactile feeling, but not sure what to do with it (it only lasts for a brief second) , Am I in the phase or does the feeling has to last indefinitely?

Also, if anyone has struggled as I am, please let me know what exactly you have struggled with and how u overcame it? I really want to Astral travel as I have someone I want to meet, but it seems Im too far away from that, and I miss her so much, so please help me accomplish it.

Thank you

Post by **Michael Raduga** » Fri Aug 19, 2011 12:36 pm

Any unusual sensation upon awakenings mean a phase. Your next step must be separation (immediately).

1 - take a break for one week
2 - then read chapter 2 of SOBT again
3 - try again, but not more than 2-3 days per week.

If you cannot do it after 5-10 attempts, you make big mistake. If you can't get it after 6 monthes, you do something very wrong

dreamsrock · Post by **dreamsrock** » Fri Aug 19, 2011 8:46 pm

Wonderer, don't feel alone. It took me forever also. The "break" is huge advice. Please do it and re-attempt. Let us know.
1- don't be fooled by being "fully aware". Sometimes it's a trick to make u give up. But if u are really aware then u missed the opportunity. Do strain the brain when u get the noise, it really works to increase the noise, and usually adds vibrations to the mix.
2-I've never been able to enter the phase using images
3- it's hard for me to describe this but when u get the actual tactile feeling, u need to separate at that moment. I used to get the high pitch ringing and try to separate really fast and forceful. I would always blow it and sit up in real life. I couldn't figure out what i was doing wrong. Separating was soo hard for me. Now I just very slowly turn to my side to roll out and it works great. I used to have to have a phantom limb out first and used that to separate, but now this "slow roll" works great for me. You may find also, that when you're straining the brain to get the noises louder, you'll just separate automatically. That has happened my last two phases.

Don't give up

Wonderer · Post by **Wonderer** » Sat Aug 20, 2011 10:22 am

dreamsrock wrote: Wonderer, don't feel alone. It took me forever also. The "break" is huge advice. Please do it and re-attempt. Let us know.
1- don't be fooled by being "fully aware". Sometimes it's a trick to make u give up. But if u are really aware then u missed the opportunity. Do strain the brain when u get the noise, it really works to increase the noise, and usually adds vibrations to the mix.
2-I've never been able to enter the phase using images
3- it's hard for me to describe this but when u get the actual tactile feeling, u need to separate at that moment. I used to get the high pitch ringing and try to separate really fast and forceful. I would always blow it and sit up in real life. I couldn't figure out what i was doing wrong. Separating was soo hard for me. Now I just very slowly turn to my side to roll out and it works great. I used to have to have a phantom limb out first and used that to separate, but now this "slow roll" works great for me. You may find also, that when you're straining the brain to get the noises louder, you'll just separate automatically. That has happened my last two phases.

Don't give up

Well, I can say that the "phase" symptoms are increasing greatly, a few days ago I felt something in my hand, then a day ago I felt as if my hands were completely in different position. Can you please describe the separation in greater detail? I think the problem is that I have never actually tried to separate (lol dumb I know) but to be honest, I had no clue what to do as I stumbled upon Michael's work only very recently.
One more question, why the break? Is that so I dont get too frustrated and give up? Because I am not frustrated at all, and more determined than ever

. All of the trials were a pleasant journey, if though they have really gotten nowhere atm.

dreamsrock · Post by **dreamsrock** » Sun Aug 21, 2011 2:35 am

why the break? Is that so I dont get too frustrated and give up?

In part yes. Sometimes people who aren't as determined as you, will give up after so many failed attempts. But for you it will give u a chance to rest, build up your intention and then when u do attempt, it will be much stronger. It's like a person who loves ice cream. If they eat it every day...it's not as special and it doesn't have that wow factor. Withhold ice cream from that person for 3 days and it will be much more delicious!

Can you please describe the separation in greater detail?

You need to read the separation part of the book again. Also, if you are experiencing phase symptoms like ringing or vibrations or any others, amplify them. Then just roll over and out of your body. You are in the phase so this will be your phase body, not real one. All this is just talk and might help you. The best thing for you to do is experience it by trial and error.

Phanes · Post by **Phanes** » Tue Dec 20, 2011 1:39 am

Wonderer wrote: Hi, I have been trying to have OBE for about 6 months now, here are few of my problems / confusion
1) I get the noise very often but it just makes me fully awake
2) I see images very often same thing something just wakes me
3) I sometimes get the actual tactile feeling, but not sure what to do with it (it only lasts for a brief second) , Am I in the phase or does the feeling has to last indefinitely?

Also, if anyone has struggled as I am, please let me know what exactly you have struggled with and how u overcame it? I really want to Astral travel as I have someone I want to meet, but it seems Im too far away from that, and I miss her so much, so please help me accomplish it.

Thank you

Your body grows used to sensations over time, a lot of people cease progress and cease OBE because they rely so heavily on sensations. You're not going to feel it as strongly if you keep doing it, just continue what you were doing that helped. Too many distractions can lead to you being unable to leave your body early on in your "journey" just as thinking too much can also keep you from progressing. Are you hearing and seeing things AFTER you leave or as you're attempting to leave (as in physically)?