Re: Float up technique, OBE, then lucid dreaming..

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Re: Float up technique, OBE, then lucid dreaming..

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I like your bouncing up and down exit method :)

Btw do you have a plan of action because without one you're at risk of undetected simulated lucidity which I really should make an official thread about one day...

What exactly is the reason you wish to enter the phase? Do you want to:
explore new places?
meet unknown parts of yourself?
experience things you usually can't in real life?

Anyway great to hear from you Mindpower and the best of luck :)
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Lol glad to hear you've been at this before I was born (April 21st 1994). But by plan of action I mean I specific multistep plan you want to carry out once you enter the phase. Once you enter it you must follow your plan exactly which will keep you lucid. Here's an example of a phase experience I had with a plan that I carried out within it. Please note that all my phase experiences follow plans and if I don't follow a plan I call the experience a "simulated phase experience" because I may act lucid without being lucid (not attempting my plan).

Conscious Phase Experience 12: http://obe4u.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?p=5722#p5722

Just like I made a plan there try and make a plan for your next experience now. Yours might be:

1. Roll out and deepen the state.
2. Walk up to the nearest door and close it if it's already open.
3. Open the door knowing 100% that a world Todd Acemesis has visited will be on the other side.

Good luck and I hope you get to experience those cool worlds :)
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Re: Float up technique, OBE, then lucid dreaming..

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I floated through the floor and below into rooms which did not represent my home any longer; at this point it seemed more like a lucid dream, and I remember happily wandering about, the experience lasting quite a long time, (i.e. a successful lucid dream, if indeed it was one).
So many people discover this.  They have what feels like an out-of-body experience because the sensations they experience convey this with great realism.  The perception of motion, the sliding out of the physical body (seemingly), and then, once they are 'out', they discover that the environment is not quite as congruous with physical reality as they would expect.

In the phase, you always travel in mental space (even if the environment seems to mirror the architectural structures of the physical world 100% - which rarely happens and when it does it is very localised).

In my opinion, all OOBEs are really wake-initiated lucid dreams (WILDs) that include the illusion of separating from one's body.  What really happens, however, and you will soon come to realise this, is that nothing in the dream world is actual (even if it appears to be so)...

Movement is dream movement (illusion); objects are dream objects (illusion), your sleeping physical body that you can apparently observe from an "outside the body" perspective is also a dream element... even YOU are who you dream yourself to be.

Some have even tried to say that vibrations always precede a real OOBE.  This is false.  In fact, vibrations can be experienced while you are having a DILD (phase attained via dream consciousness).  It is all part of the phase state of the mind.

The following is an excerpt from one of my experiences (6th May 2010) in my journal where I float out into a replicated abode (similar to yours).  Note how you can bend the nature of reality in the phase.  This also serves to illustrate how mind space teems with infinite potential.  You can find anything in the darkness...

"...I managed to relax myself to the point where I felt really light and at peace. It felt good. No vibrations were experienced this time as I floated ‘out-of-body’ and gradually approached the ceiling.  When I wished to look back and see my sleeping body, the experience came to an abrupt end simultaneously with the return of physical awareness.  I remained still and started to experience a mild hissing which came to a brief halt. 

I rolled over and got up in the hope that it had been an act of separation.  A quick glance at the immediate surroundings made me think that I had physically moved and thus failed at reentering the phase.  This was not the case.  There was someone under the covers of the main bed which I took to be my partner.  I looked at the bedspread on the floor and there was nobody there.  I headed towards the mirror in the hallway to look at my reflection. 

It was naked (I wear pyjamas to bed) and seemed much younger.  In fact, my reflection could be described as a prepubescent version of myself.  My reaction was to jump into the mirror at the realisation of being in the phase.  On the other side, I was disappointed to find an extension of the hallway.  This extension was darker than the hallway outside the mirror. 

Wishing to be in a different setting, I flew up into a dark void in the hope of finding a spec of light which would represent another place where others (dream characters) might live in.  I found nothing.  I willed myself to get back to the phase replica of my house and I was there, shimmering in multicoloured light before fading like the reverse effect of a polaroid picture gradually becoming distinct.  I woke up around 5.50am."
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Question for you: have you managed to project somewhere, see things, then verify afterwards that you did indeed manage to do so
I myself have never tried that specifically yet I have experienced telepathic connections many times in various situations. Recently my mum rolled out of her body and saw herself lying in bed with her husband. Then she walked down the hallway and saw my sister and I talking and playing together in my bedroom. While she was asleep at the time that's exactly what we were doing so yes she was correct however my sister and I commonly do that (about 60% of the time) so it wasn't really amazing or telepathic confiming in my opinion.

What has made me believe in telepathic links however started back in 2009. I visited spiritualforums.com and a group of people there planned to meet up astrally in Paris. I wanted to join them but I didn't know how to astral project myself so I asked if someone could pull me out and take me. When I woke up the next morning the others had recollection of me being there but I had none.

The member tony (real name not forum name) who pulled me out of my body told me over msn to close my eyes and think back on what happened. I did this and saw myself flying towards the tip of the eiffel tower where a black creature was standing and it almost grabbed me. After this I flew around doing loops and tricks in the air. I then asked tony about seeing a creature and he said that he saw me fly to the top of the Eiffel tower almost get grabbed by a black dark energy creature and then once dodging it by like 2 inches I did flips and loop tricks in the air. I was amazed that my corrupted memory was recalled by tony and ever since then I have been unable to not trust him to the annoyance of summerlander from obe4u.com.

Anyway tony and I kept in contact for a while and he tried to teach me to astral project by myself but I was unable to and was quite busy with school at the time. Then boom tony disappears for ages until I finally get in contact again with him in mid 2011. At that point he said he had found another way that I could astral project but actually he was trying to get information off me about an entity that was possibly inside me. He told me to do the room technique (something he has created) which involves looking deep within myself to a room and describing what I see and if there are any people there.

In the room it looked quite rich and new yet the style was over a thousand years old. An important looking person was in the center of the room sitting on a throne. Lots of people were lined up ready to see him and were semi patiently waiting. At the end of 2011 tony told me that this entity was "chronos, the god of time" and I was to merge with him to save the world from a series of events occurring in 2013. He described to me the events and exactly how we would "stop it" (make the outcome/purpose positive) but sadly I am not allowed to tell you about future events.

Later I got my friend Daniel to do the room technqiue because tony told me that he believed Daniel had "Pontus, god of the sea" inside him. I didn't tell daniel what tony had said and instead got him to do the technqiue with no leading or influencing ideas just like tony made me to it. So Daniel did the room technqiue and saw the sea as well as some important looking entity. Daniel described the entities appearance and it was exactly what Pontus looked like according to Greek mythology. He even asked the entity for it's name and got a response beginning with "p" however it was slightly jumbled. I was so amazed that tony knew what daniel would see before he saw it which made me decide to continue to believe him.

Later in 2012 Chris from obe4u.com Pmed me asking about tony. I told him that I would ask tony if I could arrange a time for him to talk to Chris over msn however before I could say much tony told me that Chris had "iapetus, one of the 4 gods of the mountains" in him and that I should get him to do the room technqiue. Well once again without telling Chris he saw mountains with a statue of an important person standing on top the them. He also saw an upside down "L" which he later realised was the number 7 which is amazing because the amount of letters in the entities name is 7.

At some point I got someone else from obe4u.com who wasn't one of us to do the room technqiue and what they saw amazed me:

"The room, is in a large personal library, there is a octagon shaped, glass top table at the center of the room. There are 7 very comfortable high back chairs, positioned around the table, so that all may face one another in counsel. In one of the chairs, there are flowers resting in the seat, representing one who only speaks to me, now, after his death in 2005 and also through altered state that he accepted, after ascending away from his life here.

At present there are only 4 positions filled in my counsel, the others will remain anonymous until they themselves choose to be seen. These others have their own plans for the earth's disposition, and are only as interested in you, as you are in them. So when you choose to end it, they will be happy to accommodate your wishes."


It seemed that he was speaking beyond myself and directly to chronos at the end... Talking about the end of the earth and them within him helping me end it when I choose to do so. This is amazing because I didn't tell him anything else other than to look within him yet he extended it at the end to relate it to what has been happening with me.

Now about the whole merging with chronos business... I can't tell you exactly why and what it's about (I know but i'm not allow to reveal it) but the date itself of merging completion is set for September 11th 2012 and will involve something very big and amazing for me and the other 30 mergers.

Around April 2012 I went on spiritual forums in the christian section to ask if tony was safe and most people said I was being pulled into satanism. Yet then I got a comment from dreamweaver that once again amazed me...

Basically I said how I was supposed to merge with an entity (I didn't mention chronos or a god or anything) and most said Satan was using his devils to possess my body. But dreamweaver said the following:

"Have you ever asked if you and this entity that you are supposed to merge with once were the same? making this a reunion and not a "possesion". Just wondering and for some reason while I read this thread I thought about the Titans from Greek Mythology..."

How did he know and why did the titan gods from Greek mythology pop onto his head when that's exactly what this was about? Then I replied:

"Yes he did and wow your good... Your on the right track there! Apparently this has been planned for 100's of years. You know... I can't resist telling you so I will. The entity's I spoke of are the titans. I am supposed to merge with chronos (god of time) and if I do well... I guess no matter what happens I will be able to reverse anything bad that happens.

Still, the things I will need to "allow happen" are beyond me a little so I guess I am feeling a little guilty about this whole thing. I just want to say "am I breaking the tos by telling you this stuff?". If so I'll stop now and just keep it a secret and won't request your advice. "


Yet then he really freaked me out:

"I cannot tell you what you should do, in your heart you will know what is the true path for you. I will share with you something that I wrote a week ago or so:

Long ago the gods of old were seperated from their divine bodies causing the mortal and immortal part of the gods to no longer be intertwined. The mortal part was then forced to incarnate in mortal form while the immortal part was trapped in the spirit world until they once more reunite as one."


So before I even met him... He had known about this! What he had said was spot on and perfect with what was going on and even Tony was amazed. He was another merging with a god that I had found bringing my total god findings to about 6. Amazingly I seem to find the other mergers from around the world all the time. I find them then tony tells me who they are merging with then they confirm it when they perform the room technique.

Then it gets really amazing... Remember how tony said September 11th 2012 would be the merging date. Well guess what! Dreamweaver told me the exact same thing without even speaking to tony in a pm:

"I lately had been told that something great would hapen in my life on the 11th of September 2012. I am also told that it is called the rebirth of the old gods. For now I am tired but if you want to hear my visions I will share them with you."

Anyway as you can see I am amazed like crazy and really wondering how this is all possible. A lot more has been shared between tony and I but really as far as I have gone so far in telling you stuff is really way past the limit... On another note I had a UFO encounter in around 2004 which I can promise was real.

What do you think of all that? Have you experienced any telepathic "coincidences" yourself?
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That's one thing I was going to say next... I have experienced what appears to have been telepathy and precognition in the phase.  We have to be open-minded to the possibilities.  Perhaps in the deepest depths of our subconscious we already know what's going to happen and we can connect with the minds of others.  It may be possible if it is not coincidence, cryptomnesia, subconscious wild-guessing and wotnot.

May, we are all one mind and intrinsically we are this empty awareness currently experiencing the forms of light that emerge from it.  Quantum theory supports the interconnectedness of all things.

I think it is great that you are open to concepts that many would consider too far-fetched, 12padams.  Embrace the possibilities and follow what your heart tells you.  But do investigate.  Make observations.  Develop your theories and see if they hold water.  You certainly have the spirit for it.

Robert Waggoner was having lucid dreams before it was scientifically proven.  He often had arguments with people because they would tell them that it is not possible to be consciously aware in a dream.  Many people were closed to the concept.  You can imagine how happy Waggoner was when the science dudes confirmed it to be a reality as soon as they got the first signals from that other world.
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