I just had a friend passing by for some chats about the phase and all this kinda things,and he is a reiki master!As he deals with energies he told me among others,that in the presence of a Jehova withess or these people i dunno how to call them,besides ortodox or catholic...
The point is that they so strongly belief that ''God'' has forbidden to humans to explore these things,that they block your energies and stop you from doing it!Even if they do it involuntarly!
Now the interesting point is,my brother's girlfiend is a bapthist or something,and she came for 2 weeks with some businesses and in 2 weeks i had absolutely nothing!
I will observe in the next week or next days to come,how this is going!
I am wondering if someone else has experienced something similar,or even opinions of what you think about this!
thanks!!
wiii
Re: Energetic field of beliefs!!
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Re: Energetic field of beliefs!!
I've come across Jehovah's Witnesses before. They told me that "astral projection" was a thing of the devil. I told them..."yeah, sure" 
They also seemed very concerned about the way people behave in society and that if one wishes to live in the lord's kingdom forever, they should change their ways. This, to me, sounds like using fear and bribe in order to persuade people to join them. As you can see, I'm not for religions.
Oh, by the way, every time my mother and sister come over and stay for a whole weekend I can't seem to enter the phase. I don't think it's impossible though. There could be a psychological barrier that can always be broken. I have done it before with my mother in the same house (a house I was working in at the time and the host who was paying me allow us to stay the night).
They also seemed very concerned about the way people behave in society and that if one wishes to live in the lord's kingdom forever, they should change their ways. This, to me, sounds like using fear and bribe in order to persuade people to join them. As you can see, I'm not for religions.
Oh, by the way, every time my mother and sister come over and stay for a whole weekend I can't seem to enter the phase. I don't think it's impossible though. There could be a psychological barrier that can always be broken. I have done it before with my mother in the same house (a house I was working in at the time and the host who was paying me allow us to stay the night).
THE PHASE = waking consciousness during sleep hybridisation at 40Hz of brainwave activity conducive to lucid dreaming and autoscopy.
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I think is possible too,but as I am still a rookie on this practice,it crossed my mind that she was actually the one preventing me to achieve the phase state,unvoluntarly tho,if i had knew earlyerSummerlander wrote: I've come across Jehovah's Witnesses before. They told me that "astral projection" was a thing of the devil. I told them..."yeah, sure"
They also seemed very concerned about the way people behave in society and that if one wishes to live in the lord's kingdom forever, they should change their ways. This, to me, sounds like using fear and bribe in order to persuade people to join them. As you can see, I'm not for religions.
Oh, by the way, every time my mother and sister come over and stay for a whole weekend I can't seem to enter the phase. I don't think it's impossible though. There could be a psychological barrier that can always be broken. I have done it before with my mother in the same house (a house I was working in at the time and the host who was paying me allow us to stay the night).
i would have tried to brake the barrier or waht it was,if it was!
I am expecting fast results tho one of these days,maybe this week !!
Once I put myself back in business,I will never ever intrerupt the practice!
I will be a master,I feel I have it in me!Sometimes i feel it,but I cannot get it!
the better is to come!!
wiii
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Hi Wiii
New to the board here (came from another that Jeff posts on and he posted a link to here, and was looking around).
Here's a general take on your passage above.
Each reality, whether in this heavier, clonkier, physical reality, or in some relatively non-physical zone (over on the boards I come from we call it NPMR, non-physical matter reality), has a certain number of 'subscribers', from one to zillions. You've probably noticed when OBE (or however you model phasing out of physical) that some regions, whatever you think instantly gets rendered as an image, and in other realms that can happen but takes more work, and still others, like earth here, it doesn't seem to work at all, or takes one heck of a lot.
In general, the more subscribers, and the more definite their intent is, the more solider the reality, and the more resistant to change it is.
It can happen that things are locally such that two separate beings are (attempting to) manifesting reality in ways that are at cross purposes with each other. Generally, when this happens, the consciousness with the most focus and 'ooomph' wins the contest, and this may well be what is happening with your friend.
Simplistic belief systems afford a simple focus and clarity that, alas, can make them pretty strong.
Hope that helps,
Montana
New to the board here (came from another that Jeff posts on and he posted a link to here, and was looking around).
Here's a general take on your passage above.
Each reality, whether in this heavier, clonkier, physical reality, or in some relatively non-physical zone (over on the boards I come from we call it NPMR, non-physical matter reality), has a certain number of 'subscribers', from one to zillions. You've probably noticed when OBE (or however you model phasing out of physical) that some regions, whatever you think instantly gets rendered as an image, and in other realms that can happen but takes more work, and still others, like earth here, it doesn't seem to work at all, or takes one heck of a lot.
In general, the more subscribers, and the more definite their intent is, the more solider the reality, and the more resistant to change it is.
It can happen that things are locally such that two separate beings are (attempting to) manifesting reality in ways that are at cross purposes with each other. Generally, when this happens, the consciousness with the most focus and 'ooomph' wins the contest, and this may well be what is happening with your friend.
Simplistic belief systems afford a simple focus and clarity that, alas, can make them pretty strong.
Hope that helps,
Montana
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Re: Energetic field of beliefs!!
Let me guess...you come from Tom Campbell's forum...
Let me inform you that he has been found to be wrong in a fundamental part of his theory. In regards to the double-slit experiment, more precisely what happens when the detector is recording and not recording, what he claims to happen, doesn't happen. It is either a massive error - or deceitful on his part.
Tom claims that, if the detector is present but not recording (or we don't look at the data) causes the interference pattern to return. This is not so. The presence of the detector will maintain the double-band pattern whether we look or not. The recorder could be off but interferes with the electrons' behaviour. It's the detector - not us. The detector causes entanglement.
You can perform the experiment and see for yourself (and you don't even need expensive equipment)! I can provide you with links too if you wish.
Let me inform you that he has been found to be wrong in a fundamental part of his theory. In regards to the double-slit experiment, more precisely what happens when the detector is recording and not recording, what he claims to happen, doesn't happen. It is either a massive error - or deceitful on his part.
Tom claims that, if the detector is present but not recording (or we don't look at the data) causes the interference pattern to return. This is not so. The presence of the detector will maintain the double-band pattern whether we look or not. The recorder could be off but interferes with the electrons' behaviour. It's the detector - not us. The detector causes entanglement.
You can perform the experiment and see for yourself (and you don't even need expensive equipment)! I can provide you with links too if you wish.
THE PHASE = waking consciousness during sleep hybridisation at 40Hz of brainwave activity conducive to lucid dreaming and autoscopy.
Re: Energetic field of beliefs!!
Hi Summerlander,
So far, I haven't been a big consumer of the whole double-slit thing: For one thing science is forever and always correcting itself once it gets a bit further down the road.
What I do like from the MBT boards is the idea that all that can be modeled can be done so digitally. I don't like the idea asthetically, mind you; but practically, it provides a theoretical framework that allows for transposition of information to 'anywhere'. It's 'just a model', but about as broad (and so powerful) a model as I can imagine that can be established out of the logic as we know it in this world.
Elsewise, I am not committed to that group except in so much as it is simply a place where some folks come to learn and share.
-Montana
So far, I haven't been a big consumer of the whole double-slit thing: For one thing science is forever and always correcting itself once it gets a bit further down the road.
What I do like from the MBT boards is the idea that all that can be modeled can be done so digitally. I don't like the idea asthetically, mind you; but practically, it provides a theoretical framework that allows for transposition of information to 'anywhere'. It's 'just a model', but about as broad (and so powerful) a model as I can imagine that can be established out of the logic as we know it in this world.
Elsewise, I am not committed to that group except in so much as it is simply a place where some folks come to learn and share.
-Montana
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I quit Christianity in 1992, because I was told that the OBE was of the Devil and should stop immediately, so I left for good.
Je pense donc je suis.
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Hey all
Yeah Papus,many believ OBE it's an evil thing...
I just saw some videos..(documentary) with this guy who I think is going to change history as we know it,cause he found too many evidence and traces of a lost civilisation! The people from Atlantis!
He even wrote some books and his best seller is ''Finger prints of the gods''
He made some major discoveries,and I think he is pretty right! His name is Graham Hancock!
He even tells about the people from south america...I think Bolivia or something like that ,that the have some kind of a brew,and it's made from a plant,it's called ahayuasca or ayahuasca-i've heard both versions....anyway interesting thing is that the ppl from there are using that brew to reach altered states of minds..so this Graham Hancock says that he had some pretty intense experiences with that brew and it helped him a lot!
More interesting thing is that ,the ahayuasca recipe is very ancient ..and it has been used by shamans in ancient time...and now everybody has access to it!
I think,even if is not so recomended to use drugs or other things to reach OBE who is interested in OBE should use something that powerful like ahayuasca to convince them selves how powerful and how impact the OBE can have on their lives!
Graham Hancock also said about the histori of that people......and they said that for them it is a tradition to ''meet the gods'' every night...they said...''we use this brew when we want to go and dance with the gods'' It is like they really believe in those gods,and they are aware that is another world...and...anyway...very interesting things he said...this guy,and he has los of documentaries..about ancient history,about the atlantis,about amazing buildings likke the pyramids of egypt...I really got some goosebumps when I heard him!
wiii
Yeah Papus,many believ OBE it's an evil thing...
I just saw some videos..(documentary) with this guy who I think is going to change history as we know it,cause he found too many evidence and traces of a lost civilisation! The people from Atlantis!
He even wrote some books and his best seller is ''Finger prints of the gods''
He made some major discoveries,and I think he is pretty right! His name is Graham Hancock!
He even tells about the people from south america...I think Bolivia or something like that ,that the have some kind of a brew,and it's made from a plant,it's called ahayuasca or ayahuasca-i've heard both versions....anyway interesting thing is that the ppl from there are using that brew to reach altered states of minds..so this Graham Hancock says that he had some pretty intense experiences with that brew and it helped him a lot!
More interesting thing is that ,the ahayuasca recipe is very ancient ..and it has been used by shamans in ancient time...and now everybody has access to it!
I think,even if is not so recomended to use drugs or other things to reach OBE who is interested in OBE should use something that powerful like ahayuasca to convince them selves how powerful and how impact the OBE can have on their lives!
Graham Hancock also said about the histori of that people......and they said that for them it is a tradition to ''meet the gods'' every night...they said...''we use this brew when we want to go and dance with the gods'' It is like they really believe in those gods,and they are aware that is another world...and...anyway...very interesting things he said...this guy,and he has los of documentaries..about ancient history,about the atlantis,about amazing buildings likke the pyramids of egypt...I really got some goosebumps when I heard him!
wiii